This trade has been vetoed by the league.

The league vetoed this trade through league wide voting.

Judge and Alcantara were #2 and #3 in points last season. Who are the reigning MVP and CY Young award winners. Yes, you're getting a young top quality player in return but then you're getting two unproven prospects and two picks that are going to give you roughly the 200th and 300th best player available.

If you based this on ESPN's Dynasty rankings, you're trading #10 and 22 for #3, 78 and 147.

Also, you would currently only have 1 active starting pitcher. That brings in question fairness in the league. If you only have one pitcher, you're never going to win. You're never going to be a threat to win.

Last edited by Athletics (5/09/2023 6:22 pm)

I understand what you're trying to do and other teams have done it in the past but just not this extreme. It's tricky because every owner has a different value in players/picks and has a different strategy.

You’ve stated your case, and I’d love to hear from some of the other owners their view on the trade.

Here are a couple of my thoughts:

1) The trade announcement is rather surprising based on your previous comments. In your other veto chat from your last trade, you claimed that for Sandy and Judge you "want major league talent". Well for one of them you did, but for the other, it was was simply prospects and picks. These are two top performers, and while, you are likely correct their season's from last year may not be repeated, they could still both easily finish among the top-10/15 in their positions and that is quite valuable to give away for the dart throw of prospects (even highly touted ones). I think that MLB talent is rather important here. Just spitballing here, but if it were J-Rod, Greene, Cruz and a 1st; it's looking better as at least Greene is doing alright already. Because that leads to point #2...

2) I can appreciate what you are trying to do, but the timing of this is so early in the season and the integrity of the league is diminished some as, no offense, but you will be a cake-walk weekly matchup from here on out as your pitching staff is almost entirely prospects. Trading more borderline keepers or depth pieces for prospects and picks is probably fine any time, but names like you want to move should include more established talent. Also, I believe these types of deals are more acceptable closer to the trade deadline as it doesn't bolster and diminish two rosters for almost the whole season, but just the last 6-7 weeks (and let's be real, if you guys are making this deal you are both keeping all of these guys, so does it matter if it's May 10 or August 10?).

I really hope that you don't feel anyone "wants to kick out of the league", you seem quite knowledgeable on baseball and are VERY active; you're exactly the type of owner this league needs. I think some of just feel, that in a league that's 18 teams deep, with 180 keepers and almost 500 rostered, it sometimes has to be policed a little differently than other leagues. For instance, like our rule that the 1st overall pick of the draft is awarded to the winner of the consolation bracket, and not the worst team. We needed to institute this to reduce tanking as teams that were getting off to bad starts, just stopped playing and were a "free win" every week for the bulk of the season.

Again, these are just my thoughts. Thanks for reading! 🙂